please help! Question on missing girl

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A girl around here has been missing since last Tuesday... and she happens to be a daughter of my parents' friends. I have a bad, bad feeling about this. I don't know a lot about horary so I am asking for some help. Is she okay?
Q asked at 2:41 pm 8/23/05 in Toronto Canada, thanks

Miriam
July 30, 1975 6:05pm Toronto Canada

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Hi Miriam,

You say ?I don't know a lot about horary so I am asking for some help?. I assume you do know about astrology though and are intending to act as the astrologer ? I hope you realise it would be the normal procedure for the astrologer to time the chart according to there own understanding of the situation.

The chart for the time and place you have given is shown below.
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One of the problems we have is that there is not enough information for us to verify whether this chart is valid and reliable. You say a girl has gone missing ? how old? A young child, A teenager? A young woman? We need some information on the background and known sequence of events that preceded the disappearance, and some physical descriptions so that we can check that we have accurate and reliable symbolism.

My first impression is that the Void of course Moon suggests that there is very little you can do to help. Also, the fact that there is no powerful activity around the angles of this chart makes me wonder how relevant or reliable it will be. Even though you obviously care about this a great deal, you are not immediately involved in the situation and there is much debate as to how reliable ?third party horaries? are. That said, I am sure we would all like to try to help you understand this chart better if we can.

The first step is to decide the appropriate signification. The options are:
1) Take ruler of the 5th house because it is a child ? but that is if it is a child and not an adult.
2) Try to fix the chart upon your description of her as the daughter of your parents? friends. That would involve placing you on the ascendant as the querent, going to the 4th for your parents, counting 11 houses on for their friends, and then another 5 for their children. That would end up with the radical 6th house being used as the house for the missing girl. That approach seems very messy to me, with too much turning, although it would show the girl being signified by Venus, which seems approapriate, with Mars on her cusp.
3) Admit that there is no direct relationship between you and the missing girl and define your relationship with her as a ?general? one. In this case, the traditional approach would be to take you out of the situation and assign the missing girl to the ascendant.

The latter option is the one I would go for, but that would mean the girl is signified by Jupiter and I don?t see that planet being descriptive if she is a young child. I would only say it counts if she could be described as at least old enough to be sexually mature. Or else we need to check the physical description it is suggesting. Jupiter in Libra in its own terms and placed on the 11th cusp would describe her as open and friendly, light haired, at least average height or above, warm, attractive, generous and generally confident and outgoing. I?d like to check that with you before going any further because if the signification is wrong everything that follows will be wrong and it will have a significant bearing on how we read the Moon?s position.

We also need to verify how the position of Jupiter and its separating aspects relates to what is known. Jupiter on the 11th house cusp suggests that she may have been with friends or with someone she thought of as a friend perhaps. The Moon has just separated from an opposition of Jupiter from the 5th house. The South node also sits on the 5th house cusp. I have some thoughts about this but it could have a lot of meanings that we need to narrow down with some confirmations. Also relevant, is that Jupiter is closely separating from the trine of Neptune which is retrograde on the 3rd house cusp. The 3rd house is ruled by a detrimented Saturn in the 8th so appears damaging to her even though she doesn't see it that way (because of the trine). Neptune often indicates deceit and the trine can show an easy ability or willingness to be deceived. It would fit the scenario of her getting into a car with someone or some people she thought were friends; or perhaps the deceitful influence of people who live close by (perhaps a neighbour who appears friendly but is masking reality). However, the car scenario also matches the symbolism of Mercury ruling the 7th house cusp in Gemini, and if there was another person involved in this Mercury seems appropriate because of its square to Mars.

As I said, without ?grounding? the chart with what is known, we really can?t develop the meaning of the symbolism. Other members may have other points and opinions on this, but I would rather hesitate before adding more in case the signification is clearly seen to be more apt through one of the other options I mentioned.

One thing I do feel is that the matter will come to light by itself, because as the Moon changes signs it meets the trine of the Sun and that is usually an aspect of revelation.

I am so sorry for the worry and concern ythat all of those involved and your family must be going through, and I hope you hear some news soon.

Deb

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Hi Deb,

I just read your physical description of the missing girl and it is correct based on the information reported by the media.

The media has also provided the following details:

Alicia Ross, 25 years old, went missing sometime overnight between Tuesday August 16th and Wednesday August 17th. Her parents spoke with her around 11PM and her boyfriend of 2 months said he saw her at her parents house around midnight. The boyfriend called 911 around 10am Wednesday to report her missing. (All times EDT).

According to police, Alicia's purse and keys remain at home. There has been a huge search of the area surounding the home by police and volunteers. The police have now scaled back the search and are focusing on a criminal investigation.

Hope this information helps. I'm not associated with the family in any way, but like my fellow Torontonians, I'm hoping for a positive outcome.

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Deb, thanks for taking the time to do that, and yes Saturnalias, you are right. I have personally never met this girl but because I am a mother myself, I can't imagine what her poor parents are going through. You just can't help but think "my gosh what if it was MY child?" and I want to do what I can to help. My parents are friends with Sharon and Julius Fortis. Alicia is their daughter. I just don't even want to imagine ever what they are going through and I can just feel the anguish. But she is 25, very athletic, and the person of interest is the boyfriend that she just started seeing. They got into a fight the same night she was missing. Then 7 hours later he called 911! Hmmm how would he know that she was missing only 7 hours after she was last heard? He was caught driving drunk the other night up to a town north of here. I just have a bad, bad feeling about this. It's a very odd situation.
July 30, 1975 6:05pm Toronto Canada

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Deb, Jupiter just past South Node in 10, the north node is sitting on the 5th in Aries.

made me wonder if jupiter hadn't just met the tail of the dragon... ? Especially since it is at 15 degrees of Libra...And also it makes sense because it in Prominent, in the news... But what does the moon signify? it is prominent in that it just past the North node, and is sitting int eh 5th??? What I dont get is mars on the 6th?

Granny

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It sounds like the police now accept that someone else is involved in her disappearance, and I?m afraid the chart doesn?t hold out much hope for a different scenario. Jupiter is conjunct the South Node and has recently been opposed by the Moon, ruler of the 8th house. The only planet that the Moon has contacted since is Pluto in the 1st house, suggesting a power struggle. Physical damage is also indicated by the fact that there is a very malevolent fixed star on the ascendant, close by longitude and latitude. Graffias is located on the head of the Scorpion, has the nature of Mars and Saturn and is mentioned by Robson as causing 'extreme malevolence, mercilessness, fiendishness, malice, theft, and crime'. It is attended by danger and violence especially when angular (as here) and aspected by a malefic planet (Saturn is in a close trine).

Attackers are signified by the 7th house and its ruler, which is Mercury in Leo. But the Moon also yields important clues and my immediate impression, looking at the chart earlier, was that it was demonstrating the involvement of a lover or boyfriend because of the Moon?s location in the 5th house. The boyfriend pretty much sounds ?in the bag?, but there are also a lot of 3rd house connections which need to be accounted for. Besides those I pointed out earlier, Saturn, ruler of 3rd, is aspecting 7th house cusp by sextile, aspecting the ascendant and that malefic fixed star, and located in the 8th. Earlier I wondered if this could be pointing to the involvement of a brother, or an abduction by car, but the news that the boyfriend has been caught drink driving seems to directly tie his known activities to the astrological profile of the attacker in this chart ? Mercury in opposition to Neptune, (a drunk-driver), positioned on his 3rd house cusp, and afflicted by its contacts with malefics.

I don?t know if you know much about the boyfriend but it would be interesting to see if we can confirm his physical description with the astrological symbolism of the 7th house ruler. Mercury suggests someone who is less mature or smaller in confidence and stature than Alicia. The physical description and temperament of Mercury in its own terms is agile, quick in movement and words. Possibly taller than average but not fat. Venus is applying to the sextile of Mercury so there is attractiveness, and Mercury in the sign and triplicity of the Sun describes egotistical tendencies and ? what appears on the surface at least ? a confident or self-centred manner. But Mercury is square a detrimented Mars so there?s no genuine confidence and beneath the surface a quick temper. Mercury square Mars brings a sense of hastiness or acting before thinking. Of course, Mercury opposite Neptune describes someone who is not to be trusted, possibly a liar or a drug-taker.

Most of the signification in this chart is succeedent so the search ought to be not too far from where she lives. I don't have more time at the moment but I'll try to come back to this later and hopefully other members will have details and observations to add.

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I don?t know if you know much about the boyfriend but it would be interesting to see if we can confirm his physical description with the astrological symbolism of the 7th house ruler. Mercury suggests someone who is less mature or smaller in confidence and stature than Alicia. The physical description and temperament of Mercury in its own terms is agile, quick in movement and words. Possibly taller than average but not fat. Venus is applying to the sextile of Mercury so there is attractiveness, and Mercury in the sign and triplicity of the Sun describes egotistical tendencies and ? what appears on the surface at least ? a confident or self-centred manner. But Mercury is square a detrimented Mars so there?s no genuine confidence and beneath the surface a quick temper. Mercury square Mars brings a sense of hastiness or acting before thinking. Of course, Mercury opposite Neptune describes someone who is not to be trusted, possibly a liar or a drug-taker.
A great example showing how the aspects to Mercury temper the description. I don't know that I've seen it done this way before and it's a valuable illustration - thanks Deb

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Some additional info...

The boyfriend, 29 year old Sean Hine, lives with his younger brother Chris and a roommate in a rented townhouse.

As far as I know, the boyfriend hasn't given any interviews and was only briefly seen on TV the day after the disappearance. He is a good looking young man, but I can't judge his height by the pictures I've seen.

He grew up close to Toronto, and neighbours of the family who have known him since he was a child say there is no way he is guilty.

His brother says Sean isn't doing well, and is well aware that he is the prime suspect. The family is also quite upset that the arrest for impaired driving has been "twisted" by the media to suggest guilt in Alicia's disappearance.

Apparently, Sean was at Alicia's house burning CD's and playing pool the night she disappeard. Her mother and step father were also at home. She has a step brother but I don't know if he lives with the family.

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Deb,

The police now believe, as you mention above, that Alicia was kidnapped by someone she knows. This conclusion was reached by a criminal behaviour specialist. There have been no reports of any further clues in her disappearance.

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The trouble is, both news reports and police announcements can be misleading and send you looking for the wrong indications in the chart. The mutual reception between the Sun (authorities) and Mercury (attacker) is descriptive of the police needing to refrain from harming their suspect and not being too openly hostile, aggressive or revealing of their suspicions ? as often happens when they are still building a case.

Although the Moon?s applying trine to the Sun perfects over a sign-boundary, I think this shows that there will be a discovery ? but what is the boundary that needs to be crossed before the discovery can be made? Are there any county borders nearby? Sorry if that is a silly question but not knowing the area involved makes it difficult to get a sense for any locations the chart might be suggesting. That aspect perfects in 5 degrees, while the applying sextile between Mercury and Jupiter (one of the arguments that she knew and was friendly with her attacker), completes in 4 and a half degrees. Most of the significators in this chart are succedent so we could be looking at months, but the Moon is moving quickly and is in a cardinal sign so hopefully four and a half days or five days after this question was asked something relevant might come to light.

It will be interesting to see if anything emerges from tomorrow afternoon (your time: 27th Aug), when the Moon trines the position of Jupiter in this chart, to the evening of the 28th, when Mercury becomes exact in its applying sextile. Even if there isn?t a discovery then, we might find another important shift in the news concerning what has happened to her.

Anyone want to help out on suggesting places?
Jupiter in Libra, an air sign, is higher ground. Inside a house it would be upstairs; outside it is land that rises on the horizon and where there is a clear view.
The Moon in Aries is sandy, new or unfrequented places, or places that are being newly developed, such building sites. The 4th house cusp is in Pisces suggesting water, but the emphasis on cardinal signs repeats the indication of high places or areas where construction is taking place. The directions are all over the place ? if there is any emphasis it seems to point towards the west, but the emphasis isn?t strong, so this might be best ignored.

Pursuing the idea that she got into a car with someone without realising the danger, Saturn, ruler of the 3rd, in its own terms, could be describing that car as black. I also realise this is a bit of an obvious statement but in my first post I referred to 'attacker or attackers'. There can't have been more than one or two because the 7th house is ruled by Mercury in Leo.

Thanks for keeping us informed Saturnalias.
Last edited by Deb on Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Deb,

There are city and regional boundaries all around the Toronto area. You can pass through 3 cities by driving for half an hour on the highway. There is also an abundance of construction sites in the area as the suburbs just keep growing and growing.

As far as car colour, I did see the boyfriend's car but for the life of me can't recall the colour. Some witness I'd make.

I would like to say thanks to everyone who has had a look at this chart and has offered their hopes and prayers.

When Alicia first went missing, I considered asking a horary question. Since I am a strict newbie at it, I left it alone. I was therefore very relieved when I saw Miraim had asked the question.

I understand that asking questions such as this without offering an interpretation is not what this forum is all about, so I am grateful to those that have taken the time to post responses. Since I discovered this forum I have been continually impressed with the level of discussion. I hope that I'll be able to take a more active part in these discussions in the near future. In the meantime I'm learning a great deal just by reading.