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Zosma



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Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:26 pm    Post subject: Lilith some observations Reply with quote

It may help others to understand lilith if I share recent events.
Lilith transiting my ruling planet Mercury in Pisces which is combusted by the Sun which is cazimi dark moon lilith in natal chart Square Mars in gemini
Jupiter in sag & opposing pluto in Virgo.
Mercury & Sun by whole sign in the 7th house.So a Cadent cosmic cross in mutable signs.
I was called to do some maintenance work to install hand rails on stairs where
A Mother carrying her child had fallen with child from stairs thankfully no serious damage to anybody.The landlady a Sagittarian accuses her of being
too fat & therefore lacking the agility to negotiate the stairs successfully, which may or may not be true but at least goes too show why Sagittarians lack diplomatic skills Donald Trumps moon springs to mind.
Unfortunately this creates heated arguments & an atmosphere that had there
been a knife thrown it would float on the air the atmosphere was so dense with venom & hatred (Mars gemini square Pluto in 12th house)
I became concerned for the Landlady because I could sense the build up of intense negative psychic energy. Within a week of this event the Landlady was involved in a near fatal car accident Which didn’t suprise me as lilith settled over my mercury I gave her a book to read Beware the power of the evil eye by John H Elliot Vol 1 .I would recommend this book as an introduction to the power of lilith
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Zosma,

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Sun which is cazimi dark moon lilith


Dark Moon Lilith cannot be cazimi. Points are not planets. The idea behind cazimi is the concept of combustion and a planetary body being hidden from view. A point is unseen and therefore is not combust or cazimi. We would not call an ascendant cazimi, for example. I keep seeing this used by some people when there is no traditional text that I know of to support a cazimi usage on a point in a chart, let alone a way of interpreting it.

If an accident and heated argument was an issue, I would look more so to transit Mercury retro conjunct Mars currently. This is a mundane issue that people in general might experience more than usual: accidents are increased when Mercury and Mars combine, especially when Mercury is afflicted and especially involving travel of any type, but Mercury also deals with physical dexterity with Mars (and miscommunications and arguments, also errors). Just this week I saw a man who got hit by car at a crosswalk I had notified the Sheriff's office about a year or two ago because I have almost been hit walking there many times.

I have seen accidents, errors, arguments and serious incidents happen since the transit began and I don't have your natal placements.
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Zosma



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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And does the NN conjunct the sun or moon not have a profound effect yet the point is not a planet just a mathematical position. Likewise antiscions are therefore useless because they are shadows devoid of planetary positions ?
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Donna Chang



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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zosma wrote:
And does the NN conjunct the sun or moon not have a profound effect yet the point is not a planet just a mathematical position. Likewise antiscions are therefore useless because they are shadows devoid of planetary positions ?


Please read more carefully and reply respectfully. Tanit was not saying points have "no effect" or are "useless".
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Zosma



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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tanit 3333
Apologies if my reply appeared disrespectful. Thanks for your
considered opinion.
The concept of Cazimi stands on shaky ground there isn’t much
agreement in the old text on this issue.
My Cazimi is with Waldermath lilith & would be grateful if anybody would share their knowledge should they have Waldermath Cazimi the Sun especially if it is in Pisces or the 12th house & part of an aspect pattern or aspecting Neptune
Then we can nail this Cazimi enigma
Waldermath Cazimi in my chart has had a massive effect in my life & I feel sure the effects will reverberate in a similar way to the owners of such charts
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Zosma - I am sorry, but I don't see how your example sheds light on a cazimi intepretation for the Black Moon Lilith (or some other Lilith). Partile conjunction seems a sufficient way to categorize the influence. Demophilus did say that cazimi adds to malefic influences (and strengthens beneficial ones), so you could say it might augment an already difficult influence, but that would be considered as Mars and Saturn, generally speaking. I don't like it when people use traditional terms in a modern influence without any basis behind it. For example, are we going to start assigning essential dignities to Black Moon Lilith too when it isn't a planetary body? We would not do that for points in a chart, such as an ascendant, lots, etc.

I may be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect here but I feel like we need a lot more information before accepting these types of interpretations/anecdotal observations.
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Zosma



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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tanit 3333

Yes thanks for that, I do believe Demophilus, to be correct in that regard.
Delphine Gloria Jay in her book interpreting Lilith gives it an exaltation in Gemini,
As regards my "Cazimi"it is overpowering the Sun & a drain on my energy.
It is on the descendant & connects with my wife who has a natural ability to link with the unseen realms. It has a strong connection to the Goddess this explains its strength in the third house.It's symbol is a circle with a diameter line through it this I mentioned in my previous post where the goddess asked me what do I understand by Pi ...which is the relationship of the diameter to the circle.
It symbolises all the negative entities which feed on human fears/hatreds as Rudolf Steiner tried to explain in his teachings.This links to the incident I related at the beginning involving the car crash & the build-up of energies
With Lilith over the Sun it can represent the evil eye which most people in the West take as a pinch of salt but it has been believed in since ancient times.
And I believe some people have a genetic ability to generate this force.It being on the Seventh cusp in my nativity & part of a cosmic cross through the cadent houses & with zosma on the ascendant both myself & my partner have been on the receiving end of this force.
So I am sensitive to this energy & have helped others to deflect it.
Hopefully someone will write of their experiences of a cazimi lilith or even a sun
on algol which can give similar energies though not as intense.
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