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JupiterMk4



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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:59 pm    Post subject: Grand National 2019 Reply with quote



How's it going...Mod-Wasp, GB, and John..?
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Vas



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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using Addey method:

5th ruler Saturn is sextile venus and which is also ruler of the 2nd, 9th houses.


Themes to do with venus.


I go for pleasant company and livelovelaugh.


Or isleofhopesandreams (5th cusp sextile neptune).
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vas wrote:
Using Addey method:

5th ruler Saturn is sextile venus and which is also ruler of the 2nd, 9th houses.


Themes to do with venus.


I go for pleasant company and livelovelaugh.


Or isleofhopesandreams (5th cusp sextile neptune).


Saturn is sextile Mercury, rather than Venus
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Mod Wasp mk2



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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll wait until the final decs come out on Tuesday.

Not sure if I fancy a Sun/Saturn type (Vieux Lion Rouge/General Principal/Noble Endeavor), a Moon/Uranus one (Impulsive Star/Outlander/Yala Enki) or a Mercury selection (Up For Review/Step Back/Ballyoptic).
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GB



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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mod Wasp mk2 wrote:
I'll wait until the final decs come out on Tuesday.

Not sure if I fancy a Sun/Saturn type (Vieux Lion Rouge/General Principal/Noble Endeavor), a Moon/Uranus one (Impulsive Star/Outlander/Yala Enki) or a Mercury selection (Up For Review/Step Back/Ballyoptic).

Like you, I am waiting until runners and riders are clearer. What we can do is review the indications.

You have highlighted the three approaches:

1. Addey gives us the Sun, 5th cusp separating from sextile Venus and applying by square to the Sun in Aries.

2. The close conjunction of Moon and Uranus in Taurus.

3. Mercury tightly on the Descendant in Pisces.

This last indicator reminds me of the 1986 result, The Desc was again in Pisces with Jupiter setting closely conjunct the Desc in the hour of Jupiter. The winner was West Tip.
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the race takes around 10-12 minutes...I quite like Pluto in the 5th exactly trine the ascendant.
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GB



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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JupiterMk4 wrote:
As the race takes around 10-12 minutes...I quite like Pluto in the 5th exactly trine the ascendant.

Raises an interesting question: start time or end time? I know some people use close of poll time for election forecasting and seem to have good results with it. The difference between start and end time charts is important in longer events, such as football matches.
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GB wrote:
JupiterMk4 wrote:
As the race takes around 10-12 minutes...I quite like Pluto in the 5th exactly trine the ascendant.

Raises an interesting question: start time or end time? I know some people use close of poll time for election forecasting and seem to have good results with it. The difference between start and end time charts is important in longer events, such as football matches.


Yes, I always like planets that are growing in strength during a race.


My initial thoughts are Pluto in Capricorn and Mercury in Pisces, which leads me to Lake View Lad and Vintage Clouds.

Noble Endeavour would also fit, but I remain unconvinced about it's ability.

Tiger Roll would fit the angular Sun in Aries.
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non-Runner...
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Vas



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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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john wrote:
Vas wrote:
Using Addey method:

5th ruler Saturn is sextile venus and which is also ruler of the 2nd, 9th houses.


Themes to do with venus.


I go for pleasant company and livelovelaugh.


Or isleofhopesandreams (5th cusp sextile neptune).


Saturn is sextile Mercury, rather than Venus


Thanks for the clarification.

In that case I'll go for 'up for review' or 'lake view lad'.
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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the Start chart predict the Weather ?

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Mod Wasp mk2



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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please keep this tread on topic.
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GB



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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We now have the two day declarations, and have lost two possibles.

For Mercury - Uranus, Impulsive Star had been suggested; it is now a non-runner. For Neptune, Isleofhopendreams was a possible; this is now third reserve so probably will not run.

Noble Endeavor is still a runner and a possible pick.

Now we have the list of runners it is worth putting in some serious thought !
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waspie wrote ... "Please keep this tread on topic."

I assume that was aimed at me !!

My Runner needs very soft ground.

You'd expect the conditions to show up in a Start Line Chart, n'est pas ?

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Mod Wasp mk2



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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's several different 'aspects' that stand out for me in this chart.

5th trine Sun square Saturn, the Moon/Uranus conjunction, Mercury conjoined the 7th cusp and the separating sextile from Venus.

I've categorised most of the runners - to my way of thinking, at least - into the following rulerships:

Sun square Saturn:
Noble Endeavour
Vieux Lion Rouge
Regal Encore
Ultra Gold
One For Arthur
Rock The Kasbah


Moon conjunct Uranus:
Ballyoptic
Outlander
Magic Of Light
Monbeg Notorious


Mercury conjunct 7th Cusp (square Saturn):
Walk In The Mill
Up For Review
The Young Master
Vintage Clouds
Step Back

Separating sextile from Venus:
Jury Duty
Pleasant Company
Tea For Two

I'm currently favouring the Sun/Saturn horses as the Sun is Lord 12 and a horse is bigger than a goat. As it stands, my main selection would be Vieux Lion Rouge (Old Lion Red), who I believe has won under a Sun/Saturn combination in the past, at Haydock. Noble Endeavour is another that stands out, but only as a significator of the aspect and I agree with JupiterMk4, not necessarily on it's ability. However, luck is needed to win this race.

Rock The Kasbah falls under both the Sun/Saturn and the Moon/Uranus rulerships.

And before anyone flags it up, Tigers are ruled by Mars.

All that's left to do now is pick a winner!

To be continued...

p.s. stable lads and novice chasers may find the following link useful:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather
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