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Andrew Bevan



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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Football - October 2012 Reply with quote

Champions League

Spartak Moscow - Celtic,
17.00 BST
Odds: 1.58 3.79 6.07
Asc 20TA00 MC 17CP56 Moon 8TA19 POF 18SG28
Day Mars, Hour Jupiter - radical by powers as Lady of asc

Venus, Lady of the Ascendant, is sextile Saturn, L10. This would do it for the home team favourites, if it weren't for that the aspect was cast through signs of long ascension and below the horison. I have seen the combination muck it up before, so the chart is up for observation. We could have a draw...

The Moon is inconjunct the Sun this evening and this could cause some distortion.

There is one game with an original starting time in the British Championship this evening;

Bolton - Leeds, 20.00 BST
Odds: 1.92 3.46 3.77
Asc 24TA25 MC 22CP27 Moon 9TA49 POF 24SG15
Day Mars, Hour Jupiter - radical by powers with Lady of asc

The Moon inconjunct the Sun, Algol on the ascendant; The Bolt may be On for the home team favourites and could add to pushing the result in the opposite direction. Mars in his own sign with the North Node and pertaining to the cusp of the 7th - this gives strength to the guests. Leeds obviously have ambition and stand a fair chance - my guess.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartak Moscow - Celtic 2-3 !!
I am pleased with this one, although I had got no stake on the result. Celtic took the lead before Spartak advanced to 2-1. Then the home team mucked it up for themselves by getting a player sent off and Celtic turned the game round to their advantage! So 3 cheers for the Scots!

Bolton - Leeds 2-2 Confused
Mixed feeling here. I put a bet on Leeds. Bolton took the lead before the guests turned it around to 1-2. Here I decided to take my money off the table but kept an exposiure to a £65 win if Leeds held it to the line. They didn't - so I lost my prize, but on the other hand; nothing won - nothing lost...

In both cases the result was moved away from the favourite. Celtic were the underdogs of the day at a fantastic price!
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wednesday. Everything seems to be starting at the same time, but look at the details of the chart in Manchester:

Manchester City - Dortmund, 19.45 BST
Odds: 1.83 3.58 4.22
Asc 19TA51 MC 20CP13 Moon 21TA37 POF 0CP30
Day Mercury, Hour Venus - radical

There is radicality by sign, but the key to this chart is Venus, LHr+L1, trine Fortuna at 0CP30. This should definately do it for the home team favourites. The Moon in the 1st house is also a fortitude for the Cancer-ruled team.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manchester City - Dortmund 1 : 1 !
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. . . by penalty kick versus Dortmund in the 89th minute.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

City - Dortmund 1-1! Thumbs down

Dortmund were probably the best team. City equalizing on a penatly in the 90th minute, then an exciting free-kick just outside the opponents 16m - but it went nowhere.

Too many games with the same starting time? I dunno. Thought the close aspect betwix Venus and POF would do it. Have to take a learning from this one.
Oh well, I post a loss! Sick

Is the aspect to POF delibitated by Venus fall and opposition to Neptune, or is there just same time distortion?
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it would have been better to say that the chart indicated Manchester C would not be defeated? With Dortmund 1 goal ahead there was a opportunity to pick up the draw a price of 6:1 as the game was drawing towards the end. I still thought the chart looked like a victory to the home team, unless anyone else can spot something that I missed?

Exclamation AHA: Venus is opposite the antiscia of Saturn, L1! Could that be it?

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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is the aspect to POF delibitated by Venus fall and opposition to Neptune, or is there just same time distortion


I am convinced your conclusion is correct that Venus's trine to POF was debilitated by her fall and opposition to Neptune.

A couple of days before I discussed it in the "Algorythm" thread mentioning that the fall is one of the worst afflictions (with examples that a trine to POF does not help the favourite if a planet (I was talking about the Moon but it relates to other planets as well) is in its fall).

In addition, opposition is always stronger than trine in the hierarchy of aspects (in football it works very well), unless that trine is to the dispositor of the planet or the receiver of the disposition is an angular (nonagesimal) planet. Both aspects were partile and under such conditions the opposition normally is stronger in effect.

Actually, the chart favoured the away team and they would have had it if the Sun (significator of Borussia - proven in practice) had not been in his fall and disposed by Venus, also in her fall. And even with that Borussia would still got 3 points but for the angular exalted Moon (the ruler of Manchester) rising on ASC. Manchester City can thank her for having saved the point.




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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the Swedish Allsvenskan on Friday. Do we have an underdog?

Malmo - Norrkoping, 19.00 CEST
Odds: 1.54 3.94 5.66
Asc 5TA09 MC 11CP45 Moon 14GE21 POF 6CP39
Day Venus, Hour Mars - not radical

Lack of radicality. Mars, L7, is LHr and in the same sign as Saturn, L10. Mars is an infortune by nature, but in his own sign and in the degree of the North Node. The Part of Fortune is square Uranus and conjunct Pluto, co-ruler of the 7th. Malmo and Norrkoping aare both in the top 5 of the Swedish Allsvenskan. I don't see why the guest are such underdogs by odds. I will back Norrkoping and see what happens.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew,
do I overlook it or did you forget to give us the place of Malmo-Norrkoping?

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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malmo (or Malmö) is a well known Swedish town, so I didn't provide any other location or coordinates. But maybe I should make it a part of the standard material that should be available with the chart discussion. The town is located 55N36, 13E00.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norrkoping - Malmo/Malmö would take place in Norrkoping . . .
It was my sleeping a little . . .

Thank you, Andrew Very Happy
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if not radical: Pluto conjunct POF, near MC, and Neptune in Saturn's (L 10) antiscion should take the victory away from Malmo and give it to the - not really, but a little - underdogs.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malmö won 2-0! What an unset. Could it be like this - Pluto opposition to POF shows the underdog? But in this chart Pluto is conj POF? It must be something like that.

I post two losses and need to find the right combinations again... Confused
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we consider the head-to-head (which we always must before judging a chart), Malmo was justifiably regarded by the bookies as an outstanding favourite. Norrkoping has never won in Malmo there have been a few draws), at least from 1998.

In the light of such statistics, we need particular testimonies in the chart to be sure of Norrkoping's win.

Pluto's conjunction POF (the aspect was not even partile), the weakness of Venus in her fall, and the lack of radicality were obviously not enough.

I would use Venus for Malmo (light blue kit) and the Moon for Norrkoping (white kit). Mars, the ruler of hour and the exaltation lord of POF (showing the strength of the favourite as I discussed in the algorythm thread), was in his own dignities and in sect. Mars' position in Scorpio is not the best one for Venus, but considering that he is dignified he is less inclined to harm.

Mars' position in Scorpio is even worse for the Moon than Venus, as Scorpio is her fall. Considering that Norrkoping is an underdog, I would not count it as an affliction (if they were a favourite, I would).

However, the place in the figure and condition of the significators and their dispositors must be always considered and it makes the difference.

Both Venus and Moon are disposed by Mercury, who is angular. Mercury is applying to Venus by sextile (the planet is to be considered fortified if its dispositor is applying to it), whilst the Moon lacks regard from her dispositor (which weakens the planet) who has just entered into Scorpio, the fall of the Moon.

I will continue in the algorythm thread with describing the effects of Transsaturnian planets and the planets' ingresses in the signs where the relevant planets have particular positions (house, exaltation, detriment or fall).
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