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cor scorpii
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Steven wrote:
| Quote: | | The first timing technique dealt with the relevant current state of a person’s "being”, which is directly concerned with his life and body. It was a method where the profected ascendant is progressed through the 30 degrees of its profection in the nativity. |
| Quote: | | Judgment was made concerning the state of the subjects being according to the planet testifying and the term lord. This was called the Major “esse” of the native. |
Can this technique also be applied for discovering financial prospects of any given year; I mean, can we analize 2nd(any!) profected house in the same way or is it something entirely different?
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Estebon_Duarte
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| cor scorpii wrote: | Steven wrote:
| Quote: | | The first timing technique dealt with the relevant current state of a person’s "being”, which is directly concerned with his life and body. It was a method where the profected ascendant is progressed through the 30 degrees of its profection in the nativity. |
| Quote: | | Judgment was made concerning the state of the subjects being according to the planet testifying and the term lord. This was called the Major “esse” of the native. |
Can this technique also be applied for discovering financial prospects of any given year; I mean, can we analize 2nd(any!) profected house in the same way or is it something entirely different?
Thanks in advance |
hello,
not to attempt to fill Steven's shoes, but the profected Part of Fortune is a significant way to analyze the flux of wealth. The 2nd house cusp as well (though I can't personally testify for the term lord).
When the 2nd house cusp is profected to itself or its ruler(s) you will see a definite manifestation of what is offered for finances.
-Estebon
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cor scorpii
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Estebon, 
thank you very much for your contribution.
POF, of course! How could I forget it, after reading so much about its signification from Steven's posts  |
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steven
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Estebon referred to profecting the PoF. This is very relevant to what happens "economically" during the year, ESPECIALLY when the PoF is also your financial significator.
It is an interesting thought to use the same technique of "directing" the financial significator (or PoF) in a SR in the same manner as they directed the ascendant. The ancients only wrote of the SR ascendant being directed in this manner, but it would be very interesting to examine other significators in this manner. Theoretically if you can do that with one significator it should be relevant to all. I have never tried it with anything other than the ascendant and MC (in regards to professions and reputation and honours). I have also had interesting and succesful results directing the MC this way. Give it a try and see if it gives any results. 
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cor scorpii
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, this answers my question completely. I'll certainly give it a try.
Thanks, Steven  |
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woodwater
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| Deb wrote: | | For the sake of keeping everyone's mind open, I'll just say that this was not connected to the Word Trade Centre disaster, or any other famous or well known event. I don't want to dwell upon the details of the accident because it might lead people down the wrong alley, but it was just a private accident - it didn't make the news. |
Was the accident in western Australia,where he has Pluto-Mars in ascendant? |
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woodwater
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| interesting that in WSH or Equal house the ruler of 8 is in 9 indicating death abroad in Water(pisces) |
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woodwater
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Mystery chart – identifying the time of greatest danger |
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| Deb wrote: | The birth chart shown below is for a man who went missing following an accident. There is no longer any real doubt about the fact that he died when he went missing, but his body is not recoverable. I was given his birth data from a close relative, in case it helped with the horary I was asked to do at the time. The case did not receive media attention, and it won’t be found on the internet.
The purpose of this challenge is to see how feasible it is for an astrologer to be expected to identify the time of death, or a potentially mortal accident, from the birth data alone. I am therefore not going to post any details about the accident itself, or the location in which it occurred, at this stage, because that would be hindsight information. I want to give members the opportunity to see how much they can discover from the birth chart alone.
I invite you to use your favourite predictive technique, or a combination of several - profections, directions, progressions, lunations, transits, solar returns, or whatever - to obtain your judgement on the period of greatest potential danger. He was born in 1965 and this obviously occured between adulthood and now. I think it will be interesting, for example, to consider the identification of the hyleg and whether that offers reliable information (I haven't yet checked this myself).
I was told that the data was reliable so I had no reason to consider rectification, and didn’t ask for details of other life-events for the purpose of rectification (my main focus was the horary chart and the birth data was only used as a background check). What I noticed were some strong correlations between the two charts, which is why I believe a good astrologer would probably have been able to identify this period of danger. But of course, I saw it all in hindsight, so maybe this will not be easy at all.
Hopefully this will prove to be an interesting and informative experiment. Please bear in mind that this concerns a tragic event and that when we refer to these mystery charts as ‘challenges’, the idea is that we challenge ourselves, and not each other. If you submit a time, please be prepared to explain your reasoning, but just give an idea of the techniques used without going into too much minor detail – because if your judgement is on target I’ll ask you to do that later.
I am going to let this challenge run until the end of August. At that stage, if no-one is close to the time of the event, I will reveal some more information to narrow the time span. If one or two people, or more, are close, then I’ll ask only those members to participate further in the thread (with the hope that many more will participate in private, at home). My ideal situation is that this chart leads to someone being asked to write up their method on how they managed to successfully identify a time of such danger from the birth chart alone.
If you have any questions please ask, although I can’t think of anything more to add at this stage.
The man was described as 6’2” tall, fair haired with a mole on his left cheek, robust (18 stone in weight), pleasant natured, and out-going with a good sense of humour. Use any zodiac, house system or personal approach you feel is most reliable. |
If he was born around Hull or York,judging from the coordenates, the rising degree is 9 of cancer not 20 |
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dr. farr
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Unfortunately I joined Skyscript after the Mystery Case was "solved"; however my analysis of the natal chart and its progressed implications, particularly using the Part of Death (its significator, Saturn) and the Part of Peril, together with the Dragon's Tail, yielded some very interesting insights particularly in light (retrospectively) of what actually happened to this person.
+Specific to the above post, my calculations put the location of this person's birth in Scarborough, England; the asc and other chart data as given by Ms Houlding are correct for this date, time and location. |
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woodwater
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Mystery chart – identifying the time of greatest danger |
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from astro.com i still get 9 of cancer rising for Scarbourough with placidus for this person
looks like you forgot DST |
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woodwater
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Deb wrote: | | For the sake of keeping everyone's mind open, I'll just say that this was not connected to the Word Trade Centre disaster, or any other famous or well known event. I don't want to dwell upon the details of the accident because it might lead people down the wrong alley, but it was just a private accident - it didn't make the news. |
with uranus mars and pluto in IC i can imagine he felt out of sorts in his homeland and moved abroad. Do you know if thats the case? I also got Uranus in 4 opposite Moon |
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dr. farr
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| The time given by Ms Houlding is already corrected for daylight savings time; in the Astrodienst chart section put in 7:31 and, since Astrodienst automatically corrects for DST, you will get the same chart as posted by Ms Houlding (ps: when I ran the data initially I made the same error) |
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