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Mrs. Theresa, Mars still in Scorpio in sidereal, that Uranus become Scorpio, so I actually have Taurus Moon Opposition Scorpio Uranus in sidereal.

Here is my birth info, you can plug it in and see. Please don't quote me, I will remove the birth info later.

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As for my life events and my personality I did posted up there in the 2 posts replies above.
Sidereal give me 7 planets in fixed sign, South Node fixed too. Maybe that explain my fixed personality above, I did describe my personality above where I posted that tropical 10 planets chart. I don't know if I resonate more with sidereal or tropical, I just blame my fixed due to that Scorpio Stellium in tropical.
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To Mrs. Therese, I just check, in Sidereal/Vedic in BOTH Lahiri and Kirshnamurti ayanamsa, my tropical Scorpio Mars stay Scorpio Mars.
The 2 planets that stay the same in both sidereal and tropical is my Scorpio Mars and my Aquarius Venus. Mars square the hell out of Venus 0 orb in BOTH tropical and sidereal regardless, both fixed signs, fixed Mars and fixed Venus.

I resonate with tropical more. Tropical chart described my life events, as well my personality too.
Venus rule my 4th, and in my 8th. Venus also rule by 11th but in my 8th.
Saturn rule my 7th and 8th, and in my 5th.

I have alot of deaths in my immediate blood family.
My older sibling died. Venus rule 11th and Venus in 8th.
My father died. Venus rule 4th and Venus in 8th.
My own child, my son also died. Saturn rule 8th but Saturn in 5th.

I'm surprise I'm still living. The reason why I'm still here is because of my spouse.

My life sure wouldn't be like this if it was those good exalted planets in sidereal, so yeah, tropical for me.

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The square between Moon in 12th and Sun in 9th both mutable can create a feeling of 'being homeless', which may be reflected in the attachment you have to your family, spouse and ancestors.

In Vietnam, you were born during years sitting in between 2 political systems:
The authoritarian socialist state and the unfettered ideology of neoliberalism.
"the two combining to strip Vietnam’s people of their money and their rights while a tiny elite fills its pockets and hides behind the rhetoric of the revolution. That, finally, is the biggest lie of all. Victorious in war but defeated in peace.(Wikipedia)

Danièle Jay in 'Pour une astrologie de l'événement' (p.289) suggests for a Cancer rising not to use the Moon as Ruler of the 1st House (because of its universal ray of action) but the planet ruling the bound of the ASC (Venus here) or the ruler of the Moon (Mercury). Both cadent and in Mars bound, with Mercury burned by the Sun. Not a comfortable situation so to speak.

When I look at Cancer and Leo rising around me, I find more correlations with the bound than with Cancer or Leo description.
Blessings!

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Thank you Sir Ouranos.

I don't feel very "Cancer" tbh. As you see my whole chart (even the 10 planets modern chart), I have ZERO planet in Cancer, not even North Node, Forune, Vertex, nothing beside cancer marked my 1st house.

I feel my Gemini Moon sure, as that how I process my emotions, is through that Mercury lense, I think through my emotions use logic first and foremost, and then emotions afterward.

However my personality and mentally is very Scorpio Mars though, I'm even scare of my own extreme and how fixed I am. Thanks to that Aquarius Venus too, whom is a fixed sign and just as stubborn.

btw, I heard something that Medieval astrology use call "in the heart" of the Sun, that it won't be burn by the Sun IF Mercury is 0-1 degree of the Sun.

Here is the aspects table, https://i.postimg.cc/N0v4cTdZ/Untitled22.jpg

my Mercury is 1 degree 25 min conjuct the Sun, wouldn't that count as "in the heart" of the Sun since it 1 degree? Or does it has to be BELOW 1 degree?

Sun Trine Mars, Mercury Trine Mars is Applying. While Sun Trine Saturn, Mercury Trine Saturn is Separating, so I would say Mars still has the upper hand, since Applying aspect is stronger than separating aspect.

Also my Mars Saturn Conjunction is Wide, it 8 degrees Separating.
And I read this: [ In the separating aspect, Mars has already gone past the damping influence of Saturn; the pressure is less and diminishing. Easier to breathe. ]

Basically this Mars has an upper hand again, it doesn't matter which way I look at it in my chart. In modern astrology, Mars disposed ALL my planets too so Mars has the final say.
And Mars is the Final and Sole dispositor (that Scorpio Saturn got disposed, and Scorpio Pluto not count as ruler since it outer planet).

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Hi fromChina
Can you explain to me how is my Aquarius Venus (which the sign Aquarius is detriment in Sun), but she is the 1st triplicity? I'm a daychart though, and isn't Venus a night planet?
For information on triplicity rulers check
Deborah Houldings article The Classical Use of Triplicities

as well as
Dorotheus' Carmen Astrologicum Book 1 Chapter 1 and read some further in the text to see how he applied the triplicity rulers.

Also check
Valens Book II Section 1

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I wonder if there an English translation to this book: Danièle Jay in 'Pour une astrologie de l'événement' (p.289), as I would love to read it.

The thing is I just cannot connect with modern astrology on how blow out of proportion they make the Sun sign and Ascendant sign are (especially the Sun sign). There are 8 BILLIONS people in this world, and there only 12 Sun signs (so the world only divided in to 12 groups of people?), so the WHOLE chart need to be look at.

As for the Ascendant, sorry, there are people charts who only has the Ascendant marked their 1st house ruler and they have NOTHING else in that Asc sign. Example me. I have Cancer Asc marked my 1st house, but I have ZERO planet in Cancer. Not even North Node, Fortune, Vertex, nothing, except Cancer is the sign rule my 1st house.

I don't have domicile Cancer Moon. My Moon is in Gemini rule by Mercury (Mercury disposed that Rising of mine first thing in the disposal tree). So telling my moon to act like Cancer traits is ridiculously absurd.

I have modern astrology people telling me that the sign Cancer rule my 'whole' chart, when I have ZERO planets in Cancer, isn't it far stretch much? I mean don't you look at my whole chart first and see how important is 'cancer' in my chart before make that comment? If there anything, it MERCURY that rule that moon, not cancer.

There was an astrology said this to me: "We do not identify with the SIGN on the Ascendant. We identify with the RULER of that sign. ... So, in my case, the GEMINI Moon is me."
This I agreed. I do feel my Gemini Moon, in fact I feel very Gemini. But Cancer? I don't feel it, because that is not where my moon sign is.

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I don't feel Cancer, period. Do I love my family? I sure do very much. BUT then who doesn't? Regardless of what sign you are, who does not love their family? So love your family make you a cancer?

Here is why I have a very hard time connect with my ascendant, I just don't feel it.

I born in 1984, I'm 38 years old but NEVER once he help the homeless or give homeless a penny.
When my childhood friends gave homeless money, and want me to help too. I said to them: There many homeless out there, how many can I help?

I also never volunteer to help homeless neither. When my childhood friends asked me to volunteer with them. My response was: They already got many volunteers, why need me?

The 9/11 when terrorist crash in the World Trade Center, I was in 11th grade and in my Chemistry class, the TV was on, and everybody was sad that many innocents lives died. My face show no emotions, I said: They are strangers, why I do have to feel sad? they not my family. I don't know them, they don't know me.

The teacher was mad at I show no empathy, bring me to the principle. I said the same thing to the principle. I said they are strangers, why do I have to feel sad? And I said: This is America, I don't have the freedom to my speech and freedom to my feelings?
Basically the principle couldn't do anything to me but let me go.

Does this sound like Cancer traits to you?

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And Cancer is very obsess with their home, family person. Well I'm not. This is another reason why I don't related to Cancer at all.

I don't care if I have a home or not. I'm the type that can sleep in my cars (btw I did in the past), I can even sleep in the street (btw he did that too in the past). I do not care to have a home, let alone obsess with one.

Home/family/4th house theme? It not important to me. I don't feel that have a ´home´, or have a ´family´ is important to me. Or care to have a relationship with my extended family such as aunts, uncles, step siblings, etc..
And I darn sure can hold grudge for a life time.

No, I', not obsess with decorate my home neither, in fact my home is very plain, white walls, a bed, clothes, TV to watch politics news, laptops, and that it. I hate have pictures on the wall, or any decoration of any kind on the walls or in the home.

I hate hoarding, keep the house as empty as you can, or else I will throw the stuff out myself. I'm the type that I said once, I do not want this in my home, and if it still there, I literally will grab it and go put it in the trash outside.

If it weren´t because I'm married, I wouldn't care about have a home. I will just go back to my Sagittarius South Node life.
I was never big on children neither, I personally never wanted children. I have Saturn in 5th that should explain it. My child was unplanned (for sure I didn't plan it), my spouse was way way more happy than me to have the child.

Because of all of this, I really have a hard time connect to that Cancer rising of mine, beside it um.. marked my 1st house ruler. I don't know how can my personality is like this then say Cancer rule my whole chart? The way I see it is, the sign cancer only rule my first house. And that moon is in Gemini rule by Mercury.

The sign I feel in my chart is Gemini Moon, Scropio Mars, Scorpio Saturn, Aquarius Venus, and Saggitarius South Node. I not even sure if I feel my Pisces Sun, for sure I don't feel that Cancer rising, my personality speak for it.
I been searching for an answer in astrology, I just don't connect with my rising sign. If that cancer rising 'sign' was so strong then my personality would show, but it not show. I guess it that mercury rule moon in 12th of self undoing, the moon undo my own rising sign.
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I wonder if there an English translation to this book: Danièle Jay in 'Pour une astrologie de l'événement' (p.289), as I would love to read it.
Not that I know of but Danièle Jay was a close follower of Giuseppe Bezza who died in 2014. More on his work here
http://www.cieloeterra.it/eng/eng.index.html

Your intensity is also reflected in some of your personal midpoints which are not close to being a Cancer.
SU/MO = PL
AS/MC = MA

Best to you,
Ouranos
Blessings!

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There seem to be more than one way to find the predominator, and I still don't know what is the predominator of my chart, let alone the kurios.

[ In a diurnal or day chart, if the sun is cadent then the moon is predominator.
In a nocturnal or night chart, if the moon is cadent, then the sun is predominator.

The cadent houses are 3,6,9,12

If both the sun and moon are cadent, then the ascendant is the predominator.

Unsurprisingly, there was some disagreement
when some Hellenistic astrologers thought that
if the domicile ruler of the ascendant is also cadent, then the Lot of Fortune should be the predominator. ]

My Lot of Fortune is Venus.
My Lot of Spirit is Mars. My Lot of Courage is also Mars.

If Venus is my predominator, then Saturn is the oikodespotes then (because my Venus is rule by Saturn). But then that Venus is in Mars bound. So what it is, Saturn or Mars?
And then what is my kurios.

This is a headache.

I actually have Mrs. Demetra George books volume 1 and 2 of Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice books. I just didn't read it yet due to it so many pages and English is my third language.

I wonder what she said in there specificly if like my case, Sun, Moon AND ruler of Asc (the moon) are in cadent houses. Then what is the predominator then? You can't go on if you don't even know what your predominator is.

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I was told that my Mars is domicile at home and his own house under the horizon, so that would mitigation, but I not sure. Do the greatest malefic of your chart just suddenly behave and not be malefic just because he is domicile?

The only reason I'm still living is because of my spouse, my spouse is my Jupiter in that 7th house.

I don't even know if Horary can help answer when will I get out of this depression, as I plunge right straight to it since my father died. Saturn (Aquarius) has been in my 8th house, so yeah, it square all my Scorpio planets in my 5th house.

I don't know what planet is the greatest malefic in my chart, it can only be Mars or Saturn. all my aggression and violent though (and I'm a controlling and aggressive person all my life). This clearly is Mars.
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I want to bump this for Sir/Mrs @astrojin to help me find the Predominator in my chart. Thank you for your help.

I will debate to death that my Ascendant is in NO position to be the Predomination. Why? Because the Ascedant ruler of my chart is in 12th house a CADENT house, the WORST cadent house of all the cadent houses, 12th house is the house of bad spirit and self-undoing. That Moon and (the moon) is my Ascendant ruler is in NO position to be the Predominator, not when it in 12th house of self-undoing.

(At least the 3rd house Moon find it Joy, but NOT Moon in 12th, period).

Now my Sun, I'm a Daychart, and my Sun is in Sect because it in 9th house ABOVE the horizon, and in the house of his Joy. Sure, 9th is a cadent house, but 9th and 5th TRINE to my 1st house, and 9th is where my Sun at his Joy house. So that alone should give this Sun in 9th house the upper hand than the Ascendant ruler in 12th.

I will put the Sun as my Predominator. But I need reassurance on this, so I need your help Sir.

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I refused to let my Cancer ascendant whom I have ZERO planet in Cancer to be my Predominator. If there anything it Gemini Moon rule by Mercury has a say, NOT the sign Cancer. And that Moon in 12th, the WORST cadent house, so that Ascendant do not have the rights to be my Predominator.

My Sun in 9th does, he is in his House of Joy. Both my Sun and Mercury in Mars bound though, so I don't know if Mars has a say.

Jupiter rule my Sun, and Jupiter in 7th house, so I'm guessing Jupiter is my Master of the Nativity.

I'm honestly okay with that. I like that Capricorn Jupiter, since it rule by Saturn, and my Saturn in Scorpio, which lead back to my Scorpio Mars anyways.

BUT then what is my kurios? It still Mars isn't it? Since he rule my MC and rule my 10th house, and he rule my 5th house a house TRINE to the 1st.