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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:25 pm    Post subject: André Barbault's Prediction of the 2020 Pandemic Reply with quote

We have all discussed the significance of planetary stelliums and cycles here over the years but André Barbault's work is surely the proof positive how potent this can be when it comes to 'world astrology' as opposed to mundane concerns about specific countries and nations through national charts, ingresses or eclipse paths. We should all sit up and learn from this master of the art.

This is from an article on pandemics by the late great French astrologer André Barbault written back in 2011.
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''Going back to the pandemics and going back to the past century, the four crises of 1918, 1954, 1968 and 1982 are obvious, the two considerable being the first, the famous "Spanish flu" which is said to have claimed 25 million lives, and the last one in which AIDS, which is even more devastating and continues to be deadly. Since then, there has also been a small influenza surge in 2009, against the last lowest cyclical index (2010). We may well be in serious danger of a new pandemic at the 2020-2021 mark, at the lowest peak of the cyclical index of the 21st century, with the quintet of outer planets gathered over a hundred degrees, a conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto can more specifically, and even specifically, lend itself to the "tissue" of this imbalance. Nevertheless, this configuration can also transfer its core of dissonances to the terrain of geophysical disasters, without ultimately sparing the international affairs scene, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected.'



Here is the full article in French:

http://www.andrebarbault.com/DOC/503.pdf?fbclid=IwAR33Tb5MUMfaB--deAxFfeQpKPuGI2fNqT17NHDqk1f4doltOUsT7sMV4is

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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:57 pm    Post subject: Barbault's work - Planetdance Reply with quote

Hi Mark - the following graph is from a script I am working on for Planetdance. It refers to the phenomenon that Barbault identifies in this essay. You will also find a reference to pandemic at this time in book Planetary Cycles: Mundane Astrology, published in honour of Barbault a few years ago. It was put out by the Astrological Association.

The reference in the book is on pages 150-151.



The blue line represents the total annual angular separation between the outer planets. The falling line shows Jupiter (predominantly) waning with respect to the other outer planets. A rising line shows Jupiter mainly waxing with respect to the other outers. It is the relatively fast speed of Jupiter in relation to the other outers that causes the angular separation to decrease (falling) or increase (rising).

The pink line is the moving annual average of this measurement.

The second image is also reproduced in this book.



The red line represents the annual rise and fall of Barbault's index, which is derived from the angular separation between planets Jupiter through Pluto. A falling line represents a preponderance of waning aspects; the rising line is a preponderance of waxing aspects.

The pink line is the moving average of this index.

The vertical red lines (continuous and broken) represent years with a majority of waning aspects between the outer planets.

At the moment this module isn't released in Planetdance, but is work in progress.

For more information on Planetdance, generously made available by Jean Cremers, see https://www.jcremers.com/.

All the best. Ed
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link Mark

Still making my way through the french, I hadn't heard of Barbault's "Cyclical Index" before, so trying to make sense of what he means by this.

Does anyone more familiar with his work understand what this is?
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark and ed,

thanks for drawing my attention to this... i missed this post when you made it mark!

i have ordered this book mentioned by ed.. i was unaware of it and that there was yet another one of his books translated into english.. for that i am grateful...

paul - you might find something in this link...

https://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8160&highlight=barbault
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks James

I'm hoping to provide a preliminary translation of the article Mark posted a link to in the next few days
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys

I've posted my best guess at the french translation of this article here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cd_NiXrRPeEausoeFCOplpSGr0OdpeWOhxnBToChPPE/edit?usp=sharing

My French is very much high school level and I'll likely keep working at finessing the translation, so this is very much a first draft.

Hope people find it helpful

(PS it is expected that a better translation by a French speaking astrologer will be available soon)
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic Paul. Thanks so much for doing this here! Much appreciated I am sure by all our members.

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

Greetings from Paris.

I found this article on Yves Lenoble's blog, which states that André Barbault first published his idea about the "cyclical index" in 1974, and it's based on Henri-Joseph Gouchon's "index of planetary concentration" from 1946.

http://www.yveslenoble.com//wp-content/uploads/sites/1051/2019/12/La-D%C3%A9couverte-de-l%E2%80%99Astrologie-Mondiale-par-les-cycles.pdf

He also points out that Barbault had predicted very critical times in terms of geopolitics for the years 1982-83, which were the deepest low for the "cyclical index" in the 20th century. But nothing really bad happened in those years. So it seems that his index is not always right! Wink

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philyria wrote:
Hi everyone,

Greetings from Paris.

I found this article on Yves Lenoble's blog, which states that André Barbault first published his idea about the "cyclical index" in 1974, and it's based on Henri-Joseph Gouchon's "index of planetary concentration" from 1946.

http://www.yveslenoble.com//wp-content/uploads/sites/1051/2019/12/La-D%C3%A9couverte-de-l%E2%80%99Astrologie-Mondiale-par-les-cycles.pdf


Thanks for this lead! I'm going to try to track that down if I can over the next few weeks.

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roy Gillet, was telling me that Andre Barbault also correctly predicted the death of Stalin and the end of the Soviet Union. Probably, many other events too.

He predicted a crisis for the Europe in 2010 and 2020-21.

There is an article in the current issue of the UK Astrological Association Journal where there is a full, professional translation of the above text and more details about Barbault.

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul,

thanks for sharing your translation of the barbault article.. much appreciated! i enjoyed the article!

mark

thanks also for the updates here and elsewhere..


philyria

thanks for your post and welcome to skyscript! although it is just a general observation, i believe the whole concept of neo-liberalism got a real foothold under the combined leadership of margaret thatcher and ronald reagan which loosely coincides with the 1982 - 1983 area... i also believe this was the beginning of an ever ballooning stock market, but i don't have access to longer term charts to see for a fact... you are probably correct and it is worth keeping a healthy perspective on any predictions made, regardless of the person predicting... it seems though that barbault was onto something for him to make the comment on a concern for a pandemic for 2020-2021 way in advance as he did..
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Roy Gillet, was telling me that Andre Barbault also correctly predicted the death of Stalin and the end of the Soviet Union.


That's simply because he noticed the correlation with the Saturn-Neptune cycle:

1846 conjunction -> revolutions of 1848
1882 conjunction -> Alexander II was assassinated in 1881. The throne passed to Alexander III
1917 conjunction -> Russian Revolution of 1917
1952-53 conjunction -> Death of Stalin. He is succeeded by Nikita Khrushchev.
1989 conjunction (+ Saturn-Uranus conjunction of 1988) -> Fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 and fall of the USSR in 1991.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs up Thanks Paul--much appreciated.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philyria wrote:

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That's simply because he noticed the correlation with the Saturn-Neptune cycle:

1846 conjunction -> revolutions of 1848
1882 conjunction -> Alexander II was assassinated in 1881. The throne passed to Alexander III
1917 conjunction -> Russian Revolution of 1917
1952-53 conjunction -> Death of Stalin. He is succeeded by Nikita Khrushchev.
1989 conjunction (+ Saturn-Uranus conjunction of 1988) -> Fall of the Berlin wall in 1989 and fall of the USSR in 1991.


Indeed. Just so. But do bear in mind English speakers are just catching up on the work of Barbault as remarkably his work has only recently been translated into English. In particular the translation of his two works:

The Value of Astrology (2014)
Planetary Cycles Mundane Astrology (2016)

Before that all English speakers really knew of Barbault's work was from chapter 6 on planetary cycles from the book Mundane Astrology: Introduction to the Astrology of Nations and Groups written by Michael Baigent, Nicholas Campion, and Charles Harvey and first published in May, 1984. But that book itself hasn't been reprinted since 1992. Copies are hard to find and sell for a king's ransom on Ebay or Amazon.

https://astrologycritics.com/mundane-astrology/

Its fair enough to say RETROSPECTIVELY that this could have been foreseen with the Saturn-Neptune cycle. But Barbault was literally the pioneer in this area. If it looks 'simple' now its only because other astrologers are standing on the shoulders of a true astrological giant like Andre Barbault.

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Barbault had predicted very critical times in terms of geopolitics for the years 1982-83, which were the deepest low for the "cyclical index" in the 20th century. But nothing really bad happened in those years. So it seems that his index is not always right!


Actually Barbault was right! I lived through 1982-1983 and I can tell you it was a damn scary period with the threat of an imminent nuclear war in many of our minds. That and 1962 (the Cuban missile crisis) were probably the closest we ever got to blowing up this planet in a full scale nuclear exchange.

The subsequent release of Soviet documents reveal just how close we got in this period to a full scale nuclear exchange between the superpowers.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/151950

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