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Rookie



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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, I understand. Probably wont be able to till the weekend but I will
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Mercury-Mars trine out of sign is an indication of leaving, it is 5 degrees, so one might expect it to be 5 months (or years). Maybe November - If not, it could be a while. If the company is losing money and could potentially collapse and you are not happy there, it makes sense without astrology to keep looking for work elsewhere (as long as it is a better situation), though.

One of my sisters would ask me about her work and her significator was often fixed, and she worked in a job she hated for 14 years. She often insisted she was leaving or was about to be fired, but she left about 10 years later. I remember Deb published a horary of mine on this and my sister was Mercury in Taurus. If someone is about to leave a situation, generally you see more cardinal influences. The only thing showing possibility of change is the late degree placement of the ascendant ruler. You may notice in the second chart that Mercury is again fixed. If the company is going to continue to lose money indefinitely, it seems odd to me that the significator would be fixed. Just my two cents.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tanit. My company is a manufacturing business and is a small part of a major international business. I don't think the fact it is loosing money is an indication that it will close. I only mention it because being in finance with the plant and the plant loosing money, I am under a lot of stress and pressure to show favorable results when the plant is loosing money.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here is what I see. L1 Virgo ruled by Merc as well is L10 Gemini, So I get the moon as my significator.

L10 is fixed, retrograde, in the 12th so i think this describes my internal struggle with an employer that is loosing money and the pressure is intense to right the ship.

Moon in the 8th shows fear and anguish of mind according to Lilly, again backing up what L10 is suggesting.

L10 in a fixed sign suggests nothing will change with the question, so I am thinking I am just really stressed out for nothing
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rookie wrote:
So here is what I see. L1 Virgo ruled by Merc as well is L10 Gemini, So I get the moon as my significator.

L10 is fixed, retrograde, in the 12th so i think this describes my internal struggle with an employer that is loosing money and the pressure is intense to right the ship.

Moon in the 8th shows fear and anguish of mind according to Lilly, again backing up what L10 is suggesting.

L10 in a fixed sign suggests nothing will change with the question, so I am thinking I am just really stressed out for nothing


Since Mercury is taken as your current job situation and the Moon is taken as querent's significator, I would like to try a different method. According to McEvers, your new employment opportunity is signified by the Moon, the lord of 11th (6th from 6th) and you are Mercury. So the situation will be that the Moon will trine Mercury before Mercury combust the Sun. There might be some chance of a new employer in the future, but will you get the new job and how soon? We have to look for the overall condition of the Moon, Mercury and the Sun who is also placed in 11th.

The Moon is peregrine and placed in an unfortunate house and disposited by Mars Rx (one of the natural rulers of 8th). Mars in a fixed sign, the Sun separated from Mars. The Moon is in a movable sign and also separated from the Sun (I don’t know what these separations from the Sun signify). Your significator Mercury is disposited by the Sun as well as peregrine. Retrograde Mercury could mean revisit or delayed (or both. . . I am wondering about the company you interviewed back in June; could this be showing up here?).

Anyway, as I said earlier there might be some job offer (in a few months or sooner, maybe?) but Sun might block you from getting it or if you accept it, possibly you will be burned out. So be patient with the current job (Saturn Rx – you are an employee) and make the best you can of it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Tanit3333"]If the Mercury-Mars trine out of sign is an indication of leaving, it is 5 degrees, so one might expect it to be 5 months (or years). Maybe November - If not, it could be a while.

Tanit, this has been bothering me ever since I read the chart. Who is Mars in your reading and why is it relevant.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of Fortune wrote:

According to McEvers, your new employment opportunity is signified by the Moon, the lord of 11th (6th from 6th) and you are Mercury.


The problem is that the job or employment of the querent is signified by the 10th.

The 6th signifies the querent's sevants or employees.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Rookie"]
Tanit3333 wrote:
If the Mercury-Mars trine out of sign is an indication of leaving, it is 5 degrees, so one might expect it to be 5 months (or years). Maybe November - If not, it could be a while.

Tanit, this has been bothering me ever since I read the chart. Who is Mars in your reading and why is it relevant.


Additionally there seem to be a confusing, taking Venus for Mercury.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johannes susato wrote:
Part of Fortune wrote:

According to McEvers, your new employment opportunity is signified by the Moon, the lord of 11th (6th from 6th) and you are Mercury.


The problem is that the job or employment of the querent is signified by the 10th.

The 6th signifies the querent's sevants or employees.


Hi johannes,

Frawley will agree with you for sure. Now don't get me wrong -- I don't disagree with you . . . as I mentioned earlier: "Since Mercury is taken as your current job situation and the Moon is taken as querent's significator, I would like to try a different method" -- so I have and I'm so glad you've responded.

Currently I'm expanding my resources of horary reading beyond Frawley and Louis' books (these were two wonderful books I started with and I still follow their methods). Such as regarding Mercury conjunct the Sun. According to Mc Evers, if I'm not mistaken, she reads that a significator conjunct Sun will be a positive thing (just like Jupiter and Venus are). Here I wasn’t sure the Sun will bring positive results on an already stressed out Mercury (also I read somewhere that approaching aspect with retrograde planet might not necessary bring a favorable result) so I went along with Frawley.

Lee Lehman explains about 6th and 10th about "Job" situation in "The Martial Art of Horary Astrology" which I thought was very interesting and here's an excerpt (pg. 180):

"The differentiation between the houses can be somewhat tricky. Perhaps the simplest way to determine this is to ask whether the Querent has a boss figure over her or him that needs to be considered. If the Querent has considerable autonomy and there is no supervising figure, then the job itself is 10th House. If there is a day-to-day supervisor, then the job is probably not 10th house."

Rookie might not have a day-to-day supervisor looking over his shoulder (I don’t know the real situation) but he is new in his current employment. He said business is in distress and the pressure to turn it around is intense. He is quite stressed out about making mistakes etc. . . he definitely seems to feel under observation by those who hired him – all the time.

Anyway, I thought it is interesting to add a different point of view.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="johannes susato"]
Rookie wrote:
Tanit3333 wrote:
If the Mercury-Mars trine out of sign is an indication of leaving, it is 5 degrees, so one might expect it to be 5 months (or years). Maybe November - If not, it could be a while.

Tanit, this has been bothering me ever since I read the chart. Who is Mars in your reading and why is it relevant.


Additionally there seem to be a confusing, taking Venus for Mercury.




This thread is very confusing from the start.

johannes, if I'm not confused (fingers crossed), Tanit is referring to the original chart Rookie has posted (on May 28th). But, that chart was not a valid chart because the date said it was erected on Tuesday May 29, 2018 (one day ahead of actual date) then he posted that very chart on Monday, May 28, 2018 (later he reposted 2nd chart using the correct date).

Tanit's reading of "Mercury-Mars trine out of sign is an indication of leaving, it is 5 degrees" is I believe taken from May 29th chart which shows Mercury was placed at 29 TAU 3' 38" and Mars @ 4 AQU 41'38". The correct degree of Mercury should be at 27 TAU 19'24" which is responding to Rookie’s question and it should have been dated on May 28th.

My recent post (on Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:29 pm) was all about this confusion of a wrong chart being posted at the very beginning. . . I recently revisited the thread (Mercury Rx, I think) – I started to read, then got all confused because I had forgotten that this thread had a wrong chart and a correct chart and so on.

By the way, Mercury was not retrograde back then but this time Mercury certainly didn’t let go the perfect opportunity to apply his tricks. Very Happy
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I only interpreted and will interpret the initial chart, which was the one edited with the correct date on the first page. I don't like repeat questions on the same matter very much. The meaning/symbolism becomes muddled (if it wasn't already to begin with) and it also is rather obsessive. Sometimes we need to make decisions based on the info given in one chart, and via our own intuition and intelligence.

PoF - I am glad I am not the only one NOT confused in the thread. Laughing

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Tanit, this has been bothering me ever since I read the chart. Who is Mars in your reading and why is it relevant


Who knows? If you are unable to decipher it then maybe forget it. The symbolism is supposed to be meant to aid you, since it is your chart and your question, and not torture you. Personally, if horary is not helping me with a situation, I stop using it or maybe seek a professional astrologer. If you are a person of prayer, maybe that would be the best thing to do for guidance.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of Fortune wrote:

This thread is very confusing from the start.

Hello Part of Fortune,

you are so right, but your text made me have the thread ordered in my mind and understanding:

the first chart is totally wrong
the second chart is correct
the third chart, citing the first one, is wrong of course
[another chart is announced to be posted in another thread]
the fourth and fifth chart (erected by you for Rookie) are with a new question:
"Is there a new employment opportunity in the near future for me?"

Thanks a lot! Very Happy
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