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Janey



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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject: Quesited in Querent's Fall Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm having trouble uploading a chart. I was hoping someone knowledgeable could shed some light on a question I have, which is, what is the meaning of the quesited's significator being the sign of the querent's fall in a feelings horary?

Does this mean the quesited hates the querent?

Any help would be very much appreciated.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Janey,

It shows a degree of aversion or dislike from the quesited towards the querent. It is a negative feeling.

If the quesited were in the sign of the querent's detriment the negative feeling would be stronger. In that case one might call: hate. Fall is not as bad as it could be.

That is the general idea. The actual meaning of that placement requires the chart and a clear understanding of the question and the context.
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be hard to judge without more information. If a planet approached another from a sign of their fall or detriment (and/or from no essential dignity at all -no reception) but it was via an easy aspect and they received them, then that would not indicate dislike from the quesited. By them approaching from an area that the querent is in fall indicates they are not on the same page though, and what they are offering will likely be at least disappointing to the querent and they might actually (perhaps eventually) dislike the quesited.

Think of it kind of like a corny love story where a gal is still holding on to an old high school boyfriend, approaching from her fall, who turns out to be the opposite of what she is looking for in the end and she didn't realize it right away. He might not dislike her but he isn't good for her and is disappointing to her.

A planet that approaches from an area that is bad for another is basically in an environment that is like an enemy to them, or could try to make them weak or in general just undermines them. That does not necessarily mean they dislike the other planet on its own. That would be an over simplification and sort of the opposite of what reception teaches us, since the querent is the one not receiving (rejecting?) the aspect. Reception is more important, as well as aspect regarding how they feel about the other person as well as their own essential dignity.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I can contribute to this thread with my below chart fitting Tanit's comments i.e. Jupiter is at Moon's fall and Moon is at Jupiter's exaltation. Question is " Will I meet my future partner in Nov. ?" . Chart is dated 7th. Nov 2017.


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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feelings are a very straightforward measurement in horary. It is given by reception alone.

The ability to act, the feelings for oneself, and the outcome of a particular inquiry is another story, and yes, require an analysis of dignity and aspects.

Janey is asking about feelings between people. Am I receptive to the other person or do I reject the other person? Receptions.

In Brezee's chart:

Moon puts Jupiter on a pedestal. Jupiter is not interested and rejects the Moon, and Venus as well. They may meet, as the trine and conjunction show, but it will go not much further, if at all. Add Saturn to the mix and we have an unfavorable outcome.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read my chart as per the Tanit's post i.e. I wld. not like them and/ or I will be dissappointed, because they will be below Moon's expectations. That is I will not like their appearances - jup at moon's fall and I will not feel any physical attraction - Sun in Moon's fall.

I agree with you that nothing will come out of that meeting if it ever takes place, but based on above.

Can we see the exact date on the chart ? I can only count degrees ,no other tecnique I know. I was expecting to meeting them this week some time by 22nd- 24th. Nov) However, while writing this, I just thought, may be it is the man I met on the 17th. Nov.

Tanit3333 wrote:
This would be hard to judge without more information. If a planet approached another from a sign of their fall or detriment (and/or from no essential dignity at all -no reception) but it was via an easy aspect and they received them, then that would not indicate dislike from the quesited. By them approaching from an area that the querent is in fall indicates they are not on the same page though, and what they are offering will likely be at least disappointing to the querent and they might actually (perhaps eventually) dislike the quesited.

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Breeze"]I think I can contribute to this thread with my below chart fitting Tanit's comments i.e. Jupiter is at Moon's fall and Moon is at Jupiter's exaltation. Question is " Will I meet my future partner in Nov. ?" . Chart is dated 7th. Nov 2017.

Sounds like a -yes , a middle aged person in a Casino/ stockbroker with a gambling habit which the querent may not take fancy to.
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breeze -I see what you mean in your chart. The Moon is received by Jupiter in the sign of its exaltation while the Moon does not receive Jupiter in the sign of its detriment. Jupiter itself is also peregrine and conjunct a debilitated Venus, so there is something wrong there (not to mention that the querent's primary sig is completely debilitated and powerless). Additionally, Saturn is in the 7th. I would imagine the querent has opportunites but they are disappointing and she feels incapable of starting anything, even if an offer is presented to her. She feels that they don't measure up to her expectations, which is understandable because what they offer is not the very best. However, the nature of Jupiter is not evil, and even if disappointing, it is still not entirely bad.

In this case, it would be arguably an aspect of "Deception":
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2949

Or also what Deb would call a disparity between two parties, or an unequal relationship (although the opposite of Felipe's interpretation).

Felipe - your explanation of reception is flipped. The quesited being in the sign of the querent's fall means the querent does not receive the quesited. In this link Deb clearly says these methods are misinformation:
http://tmp.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5398&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=405119f643ceaf13c3bc746fe0545a66

In Deb's helpful horary educational articles, she tells us:
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In relationship charts a lack of reception, or disparity suggested when one planet receives another by exaltation whilst the other doesn't receive or receives by only minor dignity, can portray a situation where one partner puts the other on a pedestal, yet the other is oblivious or feels only a passing interest.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig6.html

In this case, when we have disparity, we would not say that the planet in the sign of the fall/detriment of the other is the one who is oblivious or has a passing interest, it is the other way around, since the other planet is rejecting them due to the fact that they are in a sign that they don't like. That is the most simplified form of reception.

Additionally, feelings are not only indicated by reception. Aspect is also key, as well as the essential dignity of the planet. A trine shows a mutual like, as Deb has said many times, for example, even if the reception is unequal and the feelings themselves are not equal in like (for example, one could love when the other likes).
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey wrote:


Sounds like a -yes , a middle aged person in a Casino/ stockbroker with a gambling habit which the querent may not take fancy to.


Yes, he is a middle aged person and the branch manager of a bank which issues a loan for companies only with a min. Of huge million dollars Smile
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanit3333 wrote:
Breeze -I see what you mean in your chart. The Moon is received by Jupiter in the sign of its exaltation while the Moon does not receive Jupiter in the sign of its detriment. Jupiter itself is also peregrine and conjunct a debilitated Venus, so there is something wrong there (not to mention that the querent's primary sig is completely debilitated and powerless). Additionally, Saturn is in the 7th. I would imagine the querent has opportunites but they are disappointing and she feels incapable of starting anything, even if an offer is presented to her. She feels that they don't measure up to her expectations, which is understandable because what they offer is not the very best. However, the nature of Jupiter is not evil, and even if disappointing, it is still not entirely bad.


Exactly.

I just cld. Not return his compliments, I just cld. Not...He gave me enough chances, but something was not there, so I cld. Not take them... I am looking at his photos on fb, but still I can like him:(

He is exactly a Jupiter . He is already a university graduate, and now studying laws, doing almost every kind of sports, so chic, a gentleman. Also, he is a scorpio sun natally:) He is not bad at all. He is the only one who has just so many good traits I have met till now.

And thanks for that threads tanit. I remember I read them quite long time ago, when I was so new to horary. I will read them again.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first thought with Jupiter conjunct Venus in Scorpio is that he might have Scorpio characteristics and they can be very sexy, have a strong presence and be alluring and perceptive, but also possessive, manipulative, controlling and obsessive. The energy of that is in contrast to a freedom-loving Mercury in Sagittarius... my guess is he may not take no for an answer very easily, since his dispositor is angular Mars square Pluto (also square Moon) and he may become mean when he feels rejected.

Scorpio and Sagittarius share no common traits: water versus fire, fixed versus mutable, feminine versus masculine. My guess with Moon in Cancer in the first trine Jupiter and Venus is that he primarily finds you physically attractive.
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for your responses. I am a bit late to the party as I got no notifications so I am checking manually. I am so thankful for the learning opportunity by members I've been reading for a while before joining. Thank you, so much!
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