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Books (or courses) on traditional Natal delineation please!

 
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PallasAthene



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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Books (or courses) on traditional Natal delineation please! Reply with quote

Hello!

Does anyone have this book?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Introduction-Traditional-Astrology-Complete-Working-Astrologers-Charles/B01FIYEJ0O

There are no reviews or preview and it's on the expensive side...

I am an experienced Horary astrologer. I want to make a foray into natal readings with a traditional delineation. I have The Temperament by Dorian Greenblum and I'm ready to explore a bit further.

All suggestions eagerly anticipated! Thank you.
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Vasanth



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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Books, I would suggest :

On the Heavenly Spheres
https://www.amazon.com/Heavenly-Spheres-Helena-Avelar/dp/0866906096

Astrological Prediction: A Handbook of Techniques
https://www.amazon.com/Astrological-Prediction-Techniques-Oner-Doser/dp/1934586420
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pankajdubey



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Books (or courses) on traditional Natal delineation plea Reply with quote

PallasAthene wrote:
Hello!

Does anyone have this book?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Introduction-Traditional-Astrology-Complete-Working-Astrologers-Charles/B01FIYEJ0O

There are no reviews or preview and it's on the expensive side...

I am an experienced Horary astrologer. I want to make a foray into natal readings with a traditional delineation. I have The Temperament by Dorian Greenblum and I'm ready to explore a bit further.

All suggestions eagerly anticipated! Thank you.


PDF version for download is USD 12

http://studentofastrology.com/book/
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PallasAthene



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both!

Also ;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hellenistic-Astrology-Study-Fate-Fortune-x/dp/0998588903
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pankajdubey



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PallasAthene wrote:
Thank you both!

Also ;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hellenistic-Astrology-Study-Fate-Fortune-x/dp/0998588903


My fate and Brennanís fortune Very Happy
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PallasAthene



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey - have you read it (pdf link)? If so, it's it useful? Like - clear explanations of unfamiliar technical terms and approaches?
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Astraea



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Charles Obert's book, and like it a lot. I'm surprised it isn't mentioned more often. It's a bare-bones, sweet and simple manual that covers a great deal of ground. It's well written, too.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PallasAthene wrote:
pankajdubey - have you read it (pdf link)? If so, it's it useful? Like - clear explanations of unfamiliar technical terms and approaches?


No, I havenít purchased it yet, I was waiting for your review . I read Ben Dykes introductory book on traditional astrology on kindle unlimited and I was not sure if this one would add too much to it .
Unfortunately, none of Ben Dykesí book are available on kindle because of formatting issues.
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Astraea



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey wrote:
PallasAthene wrote:
pankajdubey - have you read it (pdf link)? If so, it's it useful? Like - clear explanations of unfamiliar technical terms and approaches?


No, I havenít purchased it yet, I was waiting for your review . I read Ben Dykes introductory book on traditional astrology on kindle unlimited and I was not sure if this one would add too much to it .
Unfortunately, none of Ben Dykesí book are available on kindle because of formatting issues.

I'm not Pankajduby, but I've had the book for several months and use it a lot. It's nothing like Dykes' introductory book, which is really an overview and not a technique manual. Obert's book is the latter. I like it better than On the Heavenly Spheres for practical purposes, as Spheres deals mainly with medieval astrology and Obert covers Hellenistic material.

Obert is a friend and colleague of Ben Dykes, and in his introduction he thanks Ben for his input and camaraderie at regular astrological meetings in the Minneapolis area (if I'm remembering the city correctly). Chris Brennan has referred to Obert in several podcasts. So he's acknowledged in specialist circles, though he's not as well known as some others in the field.


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james_m



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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't read oberts book, but i too am curious..

i have read heavenly spheres... it was pretty okay..

i think the 2 best books from ben dykes on trad astro for my tastes are 'introduction to traditional astrology - he has 2, but the one i read is the abu masher, al qabasi - very good book... the other one i heard was very mediocre! the 2nd book i really like from ben dykes is on solar revolutions - book 3 in the persian nativities... i am not sure they are great starting points, but both very good books...

i would put joseph cranes book hellenistic roots in a similar category to heavenly spheres... both good books, but for me the best are the 2 ben dykes books.. again, i don't know if they would be good starting points, but they might be for someone who already has a good grasp of astrology..
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Paris



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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello!

I really liked Charles Obert's book and I highly recommend it. It's very clear and useful: quick read and practical approach, based on the experience of the author instead of in quotations from classic authors. I could really feel specially how the author tries to transmit their knowledge. Furthermore, the approach to the traditional method is very smooth because contemporary astrology is not rejected but that it proposes a bridge, or a combination between traditional and modern astrology.

I think that it's perfect for a first approach to the traditional astrology: probably one of the best nowadays. In fact, it's currently one of my favorite books. However, the text treats very basic themes: don't expect much depth nor questions concerning various topics such as synastry or forecasting methods, just the basic interpretation of the natal chart. For more depth and many more theoretical details you have to go to books such ‚ÄúOn the Heavenly Spheres‚ÄĚ by Helena Avelar and Luis Ribeiro or "Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune" by Chris Brennan.

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Charles Obert - Introduction to Traditional Natal Astrology

SECTION ONE:
Chapter One: General Introduction
Chapter Two: How is traditional Western astrology different from modern?
Chapter Three: History and Philosophy
Chapter Four: The Worldview of Traditional Astrology
Chapter Five: The Language of Traditional Astrology

SECTION TWO: BUILDING BLOCKS
Chapter Six: The Building Blocks - Introduction
Chapter Seven: Astrology and Sacred Geometry
Chapter Eight: The Thema Mundi
Chapter Nine: Organizing Concepts
Chapter Ten: Number Symbolism
Chapter Eleven: The Four Elements
Chapter Twelve: Benefic and Malefic
Chapter Thirteen: Sect
Chapter Fourteen: Essential Dignities
Chapter Fifteen: Modes and Angularity

SECTION THREE: PLANETS, SIGNS, HOUSES
Chapter Sixteen: Planets
Chapter Seventeen: The Signs
Chapter Eighteen: The Houses
Chapter Nineteen: Aspects
Chapter Twenty: Reception
Chapter Twenty One: The Lots or Arabic Parts

SECTION FIVE: EVALUATION AND INTERPRETATION
Chapter Twenty Two: Evaluation Rules
Chapter Twenty Three: Interpretation Principles from Morin
Chapter Twenty Four: Aphorisms
Chapter Twenty Five: Introduction to Interpretation Outline
Chapter Twenty Six: Chart Interpretation Outline

SECTION SIX: EXAMPLES OF INTERPRETATION
Example One Introduction: Mars Rising
Example One: Female Native
Example Two Introduction: Jupiter Rising
Example 2: Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI
Example 4: Carl Jung
Example 5: Timothy Leary
Example 6: Friedrich Nietzsche

SECTION SEVEN: CONCLUDING MATERIAL
Combining Traditional and Modern Astrology
SUGGESTED READING
AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY
GLOSSARY AND INDEX
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